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Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

This once ok system has finally gone just one step too far - in the direction of the smelly stuff.

What used to be a stroll in the park to install is now walk through a mine field. The latest version 4.3.4 promises to be great - but infortunately it shoots you down before entering the building.   They may as well put a bunch of viruses in their downloads area.

Finding answers to the many many different errors is a rewardless task. After finally resorting to their forums (I say finally because their main site, www.dotnetnuke.com is so goddamn slow it's painful - so it's a last resort) only be be confronted by:
A critical error has occurred. Timeout expired. The timeout period elapsed prior to completion of the operation or the server is not responding.

Again I say what a fucking pile of stinking shit! I guess they're not helped by MS's hell bent quest on changing they way they do everything from db connection strings to CAS. 

The documentation that's not very easy to find is like a patchwork of notes - so if you can honestly be shagged in reading it all - then you might even make a tiny bit of head way - but I seriously doubt it.

I was about to post an entry showing notes for a quick install - but this is definately not possible with this sack of shit. It's a real shame because I would have suggested DNN to someone wanting a flexible CMS. And it appears that their age-old problem of performance has not been looked at (man it's been years and it still performs like a sleepy snail).

I've just tried to install the source version of v4.3.4  so I can do some development.. and I've had endless hassles - firstly with the connection strings (the default format in the web.config's do not work for SQLExpress - I've had to resort to the old SQL Server2000 format - although that's really a MS problem no DNN).

Next the permissions and CAS - largely because I wanted to use development.config - in the end I had to give up with this (how on earth are people supposed to use this???).

And finally - after about 6 attempts of deleting everything and starting again... the last couple of install looked remotely like completing ok but both errored out.

What makes me laugh is that I've encountered 3 different styles of error screen - far out - it's like errors are encouraged.

Think it's time I starting looking at a php or ruby CMS.

I must admit - 2 days part time to install DNN is definately a great way to put people off the product - you just need to see the long list of hassles in their forums to know that there must be something fundamentally wrong with the installation process.

I remeber the good old days when dnn installed within minutes for downloading - what went wrong? 

I'm sure I'll eventually get it sorted out - but what's the bloody point  - wasting that much time is a definate warning that you're dealing with something somewhat dangerous and smelly.

Rant, moan, groan, bitch... and again.. what a fucking pile of stinking shit!

 

Posted on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 4:33 PM DotNetNuke (DNN) | Back to top


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go on, tell us what you really think ;-)
Left by lb on Aug 25, 2006 1:20 AM

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I would have to agree...
I think that it really started going downhill when they brought in the additional projects and moved their forums to their site. It has been nothing but frustration ever since. Btw Is there a term for 'Jumping the Shark' for software?
Left by Brian on Aug 25, 2006 10:29 AM

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Well I've installed communityserver - gee that was nice and easy - it took about 15-20minutes (including waiting for the download).
Left by Tim on Aug 25, 2006 12:35 PM

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Personally, I think DNN started to take a turn for the worse after 3.2.2. I've tried out php CMS variants like Mambo, Drupal, and phpNuke. They have their strengths, but like DNN, they can have some seriously bad issues as well.

Maybe it's time to try out Plone?
Left by Jenn on Aug 30, 2006 6:19 PM

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Sounds like you're a little upset with it. :-) I've run a mile from it recently too.
Left by Tim H on Aug 31, 2006 3:43 AM

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3 hours into a new install and DNN (version 4) won't connect to a database - on a machine where it used to work (version 3) fine...
Left by todd.geek on Sep 17, 2006 6:06 AM

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I initially intalled DNN 04.05.00 about a year ago, The install was hassle in its self. Anyway, I played around with it, just for creating web pages. I thought it was the best CMS i had come across, untill more recently i added various out of the box modules, none of which really worked or had errors. The voting module, the shop...

(I have to give credit for the forum module which did appear to work well)

Then it hit me how painfully slooooow every page load was. And i totally agree with you, the DNN website is so slow it makes my eyes bleed !

After much recent hassle, i deleted the lot and decided on using Zen Cart for ecommerce and PhPBB for forums... I am impressed with them so far, but i am not a Php programmer :-(

Still not put off, i decided to do a clean install of dot net nuke da da daaa... version 04.06.00 !!! (Sept 2007)

Oh man! even worse than the first instal there were errors all over the place that i wont even begin to go in to... and as you said on a few occocasion, you were close to a working installation, this happened for me also.

After at least 6-8 "deletes and re-installs" i have finally had enough... I have left Planet dot net nuke and will not return !

I am pursuing the Php solutions mentioned above and my own cooked CMS written in C# .net

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Left by DNN Expat on Sep 26, 2007 6:49 PM

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you kiss your mom with that mouth?
Left by n/a on Nov 10, 2007 11:11 AM

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http://www.umbraco.org/ is by far the best OS .NET CMS. Great usability, multiple methods of integration and lighting fast up to a few 10s of thousands of pages. You need to like xslt to get the full benefit of it though.
Left by Ryan Roberts on Nov 13, 2007 1:51 PM

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I posted a comment here re: DNN some 3 or so months ago, like a total mug that goes back to a girlfriend who treats him like crap, i went back to DNN.

After numerous attempts to get the installation right... i remembered why i got shot of this system to start with... IT IS SOOoooo SLOOOooow. In a moment i am about to delete the /DNN folder for good this time - I mean it, here goes: IT'S GONE - HOORAH! That took just two minutes to delete the whole damm thing, probably the best "tweak" i have made to Dot Net Nuke in a while :-)

Madness: The DNN folder was Approx: 2194 files in 236 folders! Oh, and not forgetting the 562 stored procs as well. Any wonder why DNN serves pages so slowly?

I appreciate the dedication, work and efforts of the DNN team, however DNN is not really suitable for my purposes.

[ Thanks to Ryan above ^ for the details about Umbraco... i installed it, but was not really thay impressed to be honest. ]
Left by DNN Expat on Dec 13, 2007 6:50 AM

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Tim,

Have you tried Umbraco? www.umbraco.org its like falling of a log.
Left by Ismail Mayat on Jan 09, 2008 9:10 AM

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Tim,

You are correct. Avoid DNN like the plague.
Left by Charles on Mar 13, 2008 7:11 PM

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I have to say that DNN IS like the girlfriend that treats you like sh*t, but when she's good she's very good! ;-) DNN is in my opinion the best all rounder there is. She's good where it counts, but is always unfashionably late to the party!
Left by Mike Palmer - DNN Guru.. on Oct 07, 2008 10:39 PM

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I fully agree! DNN is shit! Personally I think it is because of the @sshole core team members. God forbid you mention that the coding is crap, when it clearly is, it's always the user's fault if something gets screwed up, never the code, never the core members. Oh yes, and telling a person that it's free, and if you don't like it go somehwere else is also a crock of shit! It's not free if I've laid out a considerable amount of cash for servers and hosting, not to mention the thousands of dollars wasted on customizing code that was shit in the first place, especially if these desicions are made based on the information given on the official DNN website.
Left by Julian on Oct 22, 2008 8:54 PM

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DNN Rocks the dogs bollocks! It's an awesome CMS, and unlike most other halfbreeds is a complete website solution in a box. DNN may be a little slow to pre-cache, but any fool can work around that (there's enough solutions out there to keep the thing alive). I have to say, that if you don't know what you're doing, DNN is a mine field - but for those who learn, take note and appreciate the codebase and all of it's diversity - DNN is AWESOME!
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Stickler say "DNN Rocks the dogs bollocks! It's an awesome CMS" wooooh - hold your horses there buddy !

Wait till you actually try and doing something with it, like install it, or change the styles in the messy f^&%$d up CSS, load the homepage from fresh and wait 20-30 seconds (ignoring your useless 'work around'), program modules for it, install useless modules that FU*K UP the platform, keeping clients from going FU*^%$G mad all the time.

Ohhhh, and dont get me started on the so called 'DNN upgrades' more like "how to trash your DNN CMS with one easy zip file"

"DNN is AWESOME! " IN YOUR DREAMS MY FRIEND ! Its probably because it is free you like it so much..

ANYWAY - YES DotNetNuke does indeed SUCK ASS

In my 12 years of commercial IT experience i can truely say this is the worst excuse for a (even an open source) CMS i have EVER come accross. - Did you know that they DO NOT use Microsoft software in aviation / air traffic control systems for a BLOODY GOOD REASON :) Because it doesn't work consistantly or properly what so ever :)

"VB.Net for Enterprise Solutions" - Phhhaaaa ! dream on.
I agree with DNN Expat above, the best "tweak" you can make is to delete your DNN platform and use Umbraco or similar :)
Thanks, i am glad we cleared that up...
Left by DNN Piece of Shit on Apr 17, 2010 7:34 PM

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DNN Is complete rubbish, have to agree with "DNN Piece of Shit", no intelligent people would willingly use it as it's pretty much bottom of the heap when it comes to CMS.

Unfortunately our organization thinks dnn is actually useful, even if it takes 3-4 developers to achieve the same result as 1 developer in a better CMS, fkn slow, fkn useless content management.

10 Years building websites in different systems, and DNN is probably one of the worst CMS systems I've actually worked with.

I wish I could delete it!!!! :( .... one thing's for sure I'll never accept another DNN related job after this one.
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Unfortunately our organization thinks dnn is actually useful, even if it takes 3-4 developers to achieve the same result as 1 developer in a better CMS, fkn slow, fkn useless content management.

10 Years building websites in different systems, and DNN is probably one of the worst CMS systems I've actually worked with.

I wish I could delete it!!!! :( .... one thing's for sure I'll never accept another DNN related job after this one.
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Hello admin.
DNN took one wrong move that cause a great disaster to the system. Tsk.
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Hello admin.
DNN took one wrong move that cause a great disaster to the system. Tsk.
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Very interesting read. I would have liked it without the swearing but I guess you need to stress your point across. Thank you for the DNN perspetive.
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